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Select Elvish Words 4.65-4.67: Urinate, Defecate, Copulate

4.65 to Urinate; Urine

ᴱQ. mis n. “urine”

A noun appearing as ᴱQ. mis (mist-) “urine” in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s from the early root ᴱ√MISI “mingere”, which is Latin for “urinate” (QL/62).

Neo-Quenya: I’d retain ᴺQ. mis (mist-) “urine” for purposes of Neo-Quenya, based on the later root ᴹ√MIS having to do with wet things. It conflicts somewhat with Q. mistë < √MIZDI “drizzle, light rain”, but I don’t see that as a problem, as the word for “urine” might have originated euphemistically as “make rain”.

G. fafli n. “bladder”

A noun appearing as G. fafli “a bladder” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s, an elaboration of G. faf- “puff, blow” (GL/33).

Neo-Sindarin: I would adapt this word as ᴺS. faul “bladder” from ᴺS. faw- “puff, blow”, likely with the original sense “inflated thing”. This mirrors the etymology of English “bladder”, which is also derived from an ancient verb meaning “to blow”.

G. pigla- v. “to make urine”

A verb appearing as G. pigla- or pictha- “make urine” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s (GL/64), probably based on the early root ᴱ√PIQI which had Quenya derivatives having to do with bitterness (QL/74).

Neo-Sindarin: I would update this verb to ᴺS. saera- “to urinate” based on the later word [N.] saer “bitter” (Ety/SAG).

G. piglin n. “urine”

A noun appearing as G. piglin “urine” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s (GL/64), probably based on the early root ᴱ√PIQI which had Quenya derivatives having to do with bitterness (QL/74).

Neo-Sindarin: I would update this word to ᴺS. saerlin “urine”, a combination of [N.] saer “bitter” (Ety/SAG) and the root √LIN that was sometimes connected to the sound of moving water (WJ/382).

4.66 to Void Excrement; Dung, Excrement

ᴱQ. múko n. “dung, stercus [Latin], *manure, muck”

A word appearing as ᴱQ. múko “dung, stercus” in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s, the second gloss being Latin for “dung, manure, muck”. It was based on the early root ᴱ√MUKU “cacare”, which is Latin for “defecate” (QL/63).

Neo-Quenya: I’d retain ᴺQ. múco “dung, *manure, muck” for purpose of Neo-Quenya based on the Neo-Root ᴺ√MUK “defecate”.

ᴱQ. mukta- n. “cacare [Latin], *to empty bowels”

A verb appearing as ᴱQ. mukta- “cacare” (Latin for “defecate”) in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s under the early root ᴱ√MUKU of the same meaning (QL/63).

Neo-Quenya: I’d adapt this word as ᴺQ. muhta- “to defecate” for purpose of Neo-Quenya based on the Neo-Root ᴺ√MUK “defecate”.

4.67 to have Sexual Intercourse

ᴱQ. puhta n. “coitus, *sex”

A noun appearing as ᴱQ. puhta or pukta (the second possibly a primitive form) in Early Noldorin Word-lists of the 1920s as the cognate of ᴱN. hoith “coitus” (PE13/147, 163), probably derived from a variant form of the early root ᴱ√PU(HU) “generate” (QL/75).

Neo-Quenya: I would retain this word as ᴺQ. puhta “coitus, *sex” for purposes of Neo-Quenya based on a Neo-Root ᴺ√PUK for Elvish “sex” words.

ᴱQ. pukta- v. “*to copulate, have sex”

A verb appearing as ᴱQ. pukta- in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s under the early root ᴱ√PU(HU) “generate” (QL/75). According to the editors, it was written over an erased word whose glosses seems to have been “coire”, which is Latin for “to copulate”; elsewhere derivatives of this root had to do sex and sexual organs.

Neo-Quenya: For purposes of Neo-Quenya I would adapt this word as ᴺQ. puhta- “to copulate, have sex” as suggested by Fiona Jallings, with the later Quenya sound change of kt to ht.

Q. yermë n. “sexual desire (for marriage and procreation)”

A term for “sexual desire” within the context marriage and procreation, hence used for appropriate sexual desire as opposed to inappropriate lust. Yermë only exists in conjunction with melmë “love” (though melmë could exist without yermë), while sexual desire without love would be [ᴹQ.] maile. Yermë appeared in notes from 1959 (NM/16), and was clearly derived from the root √YER “desire” from the same bundle of notes (NM/20).

Conceptual Development: The form ᴹQ. yére appeared in The Etymologies of the 1930s under the root ᴹ√YER “feel sexual desire” and thus may have a similar meaning (EtyAC/YER).

ᴱN. hoith n. “coitus, *sex”

A noun appearing as ᴱN. hoith “coitus” (a single act of sex) in Early Noldorin Word-lists of the 1920s, cognate to ᴱQ. pukta or puhta (PE13/147, 163), where the initial p became h as was often the case in the Early Noldorin of the 1920s.

Neo-Sindarin: Fiona Jallings adapted this word as ᴺS. puith “coitus, *sex” for purposes of Neo-Sindarin to better fit Sindarin phonetic developments.

ᴱN. hoitha- v. “*to have sex (with)”

A word appearing in Early Noldorin Word-lists of the 1920s as ᴱN. hoitha- “hǽman” (= Old English “have intercourse with”), a verb form of ᴱN. hoith “coitus, *sex”, which in turn was based on [ᴱQ.] pukta (PE13/147).

Neo-Sindarin: Fiona Jallings adapted this word as ᴺS. puitha- “to have sex (with)” for purposes of Neo-Sindarin to better fit Sindarin phonetic developments. I’d treat this as a transitive verb where the direct object is the person one is having sex with, so i nî puitha i nîr “the woman sexes the man (= has sex with)”.

ᴱN. hug- v. “futuere, *to copulate”

A word appearing as ᴱN. hug- “futuere” (= Latin “to copulate”) in Early Noldorin Word-lists of the 1920s (PE13/147, 163), clearly based on a later iteration of ᴱ√PU(HU) “generate” that was the basis for “sex” words in the Qenya Lexicon (QL/75).

Neo-Sindarin: Fiona Jallings adapted this word as ᴺS. pog- “to copulate, have sex” for purposes of Neo-Sindarin to better fit Sindarin phonetic developments.

N. îr n. “*sexual desire”

An unglossed word in The Etymologies of the 1930s derived from the root ᴹ√YER “feel sexual desire” (EtyAC/YER), perhaps a noun meaning “*sexual desire”.

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